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I have finally tried on Vivo FiveFingers

I had a podiatrist recommend them to me today. He said he hates to recommend them but since I have no pain barefoot and do have pain in 'shoes' he'd rather see me wear Vivos than moccs since its at least 'some kind of shoe.' I decided to pretend I'd never heard of them and made him explain. He was actually fair.

These moccs are a 2 layer of leather moose hide sole with some foam between. They are hightop Greier. I cut the fringe off because its silly. They have no 'nothing'. Just moose and foam. I feel justified wearing foam because loads of primitives stuff their moccs full of grass and have healthy, strong, perfect, attractive feet. My feet are greatly improved since I got them. I have other moccs too but they are best.

I went to a shoe store and tried on the classic and the driving glove leather moc one. I loved them, but they don't fit.

I wear size 36 shoe and size 38 toes? What's up with that? This is just wrong.

I wandered around the store in the 38 toes dragging loads of empty shoe behind me. Yes, my toes really are that thick. And I've got the baby toe that's folded under and turned sideways. I even got that in the 38 toes. But I still got 36 feet. I would have bought the 'driving moc' ones if they had fit. I could feel the floor in those. They only had 2 very thin bits of soling on the heel and ball, not the whole shoe. I thought the Classics had too much stuff between me and the ground, but I'm used to moccs and its a whole other thing.

Its one of those shoe stores where they have 6 different kinds of carpet. I could not tell the difference between the carpets in the Classics. I expected to be able to do that becaue of all the talk. If you only use leather, you can. And if you don't drag your feet, leather lasts a long time, even in town.

They also had a pair of men's boots that were so professional you could wear them to nearly any job. I bet they sell a million of those.

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On the hunt for a minimal business casual shoe

I wear Altra Intuitions for long distance road running. However, I have not found a pair of minimal shoes to wear for work that are business casual looking. I have tried a few like the Merrell Barefoot Glove but my toes are cramped even though the rest of the fit feels good. I find myself going back to my Birkenstock clogs or sandals most days. But I am just not sure if that is a good choice if I want to run in more minimal shoes. I would really appreciate any suggestions for minimal shoes that have a wide toe box and look like business casual.

Also, I live in Florida so cold weather is not an issue for me.

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need a shoe that will take super wide super deep feet and tough enought for an orthotic

I went to PT today about my knees. My knees look like this. )( And I've been aware of it since I was a teenager so it didn't just happen.

Apparently, the fact that my feet are too rigid and that I am standing on them wrong doesn't help. I wore moccs. I always wear them except when it rains, then I wear $10 canvas tennis shoes.

They want me to wear a hard orthotic. It would bust through a cotton tenny in a day and a leather mocc in a week.

Since I had 3 foot operations, I went about 3 years in house slippers and then discovered shoes did not fit me anymore. My feet are very wide, very deep top to bottom and very, very sensitive to pressure. I told this to Ms High and Mighty and she was not impressed.

I'd rather keep wrapping a hunk of leather around each foot than suffer pain in my feet to make my knees better. And when I wore the orthotics, I can't say I was much better.

I'm sure I could go to the state capital and pay zillions to get ugly shoes custom made, but I'm not going to pay zillions or wear ugly shoes. I won't pay more than $100 for a pair of shoes. Ok, I might, but they better be awesome.

I wore combat boots for 20 years and I'm never wearing ugly or hard shoes again.

I have an other appointment to see her again on Oct 31. If I order invisible shoes tonight, will I have them by the 31 to annoy her? I will wear them if it snows that day.

Marie

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cleaning minimalist shoes

is there a certain technique in cleaning the barefoot/minimalist shoes? I have a merrell style and it now smells terrible. I have but them in the deep freezer, but that didnt seem to work to well. does just simply washing it work? or can I soak it in soap water for a few hours?

I guess ill start to wear liners haha.

thanks!

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Very stupid question

This is bound to stir up trouble for me, but I don't honestly know the answer and I really want to know.

During the period of time that I was recovering from my 3 foot operations, I had loads of swelling and could not get a normal shoe on. The post surgery shoe the hospital gave me had no tread on it and was going to get me killed if the sidewalks or parking lots were wet. Give a cripple a shoe that makes them slip and slide. That's way funny.

So I went to WalMart and got loads of imitation Converse shoes in various sizes for various amounts of swelling and hacked them up with a razor, a knife, scissors and a seam ripper.

This is the period of time when I gave up on orthotics. Orthotics cut through $5-10 cotton shoes like crazy so I could not wear them.

Imitation Converse are zero drop. They have next to no padding. They are flexible and light. The ones I get don't even have the rubber toe cap. I don't like the rubber toe cap feeling.

While you are complaining about the cost of this shoe and that shoe, why don't you just buy Chuck Taylor's Converse? Not even the real Converse with extra bling costs as much as some of the shoes you guys are wailing over the cost of. How about the plain ones we grew up with? What's wrong with them? What am I missing?

I wear moccasins all the time and imitation Converse when it rains to get a rubber sole. To make me run, you'd have to set my house on fire, so I'm sure I'm missing something here, and I really want to know what it is.

But I really want to know why you are paying more and more for less and less shoe and trying to reinvent the wheel(to me), when plain Converse are cheap and imitation ones are so much cheaper and have always been there?

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Some shoe patterns I want to review

http://housebarra.com/EP/ep02/11shoe02.html

The above link is for a couple shoe patterns used several hundred years ago in Europe that I am fiddling around with right now. They are from Margrethe Hald's book, Primitive Shoes. They are very easy, very nice. You can make these with a knife as your only tool, altho a hole punch is nice.

http://makethemyourself.com/wshoe.html

And this webpage sells a pattern that makes a shoe that is a great deal like the Soft Star Shoe, from infant to size US Women's 15. Just ignore the bright colors and decorations on the top of them and really look at the shoe. They've reverse engineered the Soft Star Shoe.

For even more variation, make it so the heel section is on the outside and use a shoestring in the casing instead of elastic and it looks vaguely like a loafer. At least that's what I tell myself.

I have made myself this shoe with the thinnest leather I've ever seen from a shirt and the thinnest Vibram sole available so it would work on a common sewing machine. I had to go down 2 sizes and its still loose because they expect you to use padding and so I'm positive a Man's size 15 could wear them without the sole padding, sheepskin lining, etc. Another pattern book I have says to enlarge 3% per shoe size on a copier machine and that may work if you only go up 1 or 2 sizes. Don't be discouraged by lack of men's sizes.

The pattern allows for wide feet. In fact, they tell you if your feet aren't wide, how to make the shoe less wide. I have wide feet and high arches and high insteps and they fit me fine.

I hope reviewing patterns is allowed. I don't own this webpage or know these people. I absolutely love this pattern and I think you will too.

Marie

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Revisiting Minimalist Footwear Standards

As the market for minimalist footwear continues to grow (and boy, it just keeps growing!), I am starting to think about revisiting the standards we set on this site for the footwear we review and list in the directory.

In the past, when there was less selection, I was willing to make some compromises. The first one I would like to tackle - and sticks out in my mind the most right now - is heel rise (or "drop", depending on your perspective). Up until this point, I have made some allowance for a little heel rise provided it was only a few mm (the upper end being 5 or 6mm). I am wondering if it is time to get a little more purist about this and say that we will only list and review zero-drop shoes?

What do you think? Is a 5mm shoe still minimalist enough for you? Or should we be setting the bar higher and go with only zero?

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My Running Huarache Sandals

Hi all, I'm getting closer to what I think is the ideal Huarache design for new/intermediate barefoot runners as myself that aren't so light on their feet. And I would like to share it with you.

My Huarache design is home made so anyone can make it. I've used salvaged materials some from the house and others from specialty stores to reduce my environmental impact.

although I'm now thinking that an old hoop polyester jersey should only be cut up when it can no longer be worn.

The new design features include:-

A sole designed to be stiffer and correct my foot position to promote a mid-foot strike.

The sole also has a recess groove design so the straps do not make contact with the road and don't wear down.

A twin hole design in the sole prevents the straps from sliding around and allows the forefoot end of the strap to be knot-less.

The Straps are wider for reduced pressure and friction on my skin (especially when wet) and they cross over differently providing a securer fit and more lateral support/stability a the base of the sandal.

The moisture management straps :)) are made from polyester jersey textile which also has some stretch for added comfort.

For more photos check out:-

http://huaracheblog.wordpress.com/2012/06/26/my-running-huarache-sandals-evolution-revised/

Happy Huarache making.

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Shoes for a beginner

Over the last several years I've noticed that my ankles tend to get stiff and sore in regular shoes and was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a shoe that is fairly low around the ankle.

Since I'm just starting out working out again, I'd like a fairly multipurpose shoes. One good for walking or running that doesn't break the bank.

Thanks!

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Minimalist Combat Boots are finally here!

Most servicemembers desire combat boots that are lightweight yet still provide extra thick soles and stiff ankle support. There are, however, those of us who want a lightweight combat boot that has a very thin sole and little to no ankle support, yet still looks like a combat boot so that the Sergeant Major doesn’t freak out when he sees his soldiers wearing hippy moccasins. Bates has created such a boot!

The Bates Zero Mass is a 13-ounce boot, made from canvas and Wolverine Warrior leather. This leather is made from pigskin and basically has the same properties as GORE-TEX®. More information about Wolverine Warrior leather can be found on Bates footwear website.

The first time I tried on my new Zero Mass boots, I was very pleased with the weight. These combat boots are lighter than some running shoes I’ve owned in the past. I was disappointed, however, with how noisy they were. Every step I took sounded like I was walking on paper bags. I was also concerned about the way the canvas part of these boots rubbed my Achilles’ tendon. By the end of the first day the noise had quieted down considerably, and by the time I got to work I had already forgotten about the rubbing issue.

I wore my Bates Zero Mass boots everyday for two weeks and they required no breaking in. After week one, I got my first opportunity to put them to a test outside of everyday wear, and took them on a hike up Thumb Butte, near Prescott, Arizona. The trail up Thumb Butte is a pretty easy trail, so I ran part of the way up, and the boots felt great during the run. Personally, I like my shoes a bit wide, and this pair of Z-Mass is normal width, however, I was very comfortable running up the trail in them. Running down the trail was also easy and I experienced no technical difficulties with the boots.

Miller Creek runs along the bottom of Thumb Butte. It just seemed natural to test my new boots in the water, so I walked a short distance in the creek. I absolutely hate wearing wet shoes, so normally I’ll take my shoes off to walk in water. However, I felt it necessary to try these boots in the water. The boots have two drain holes and the uppers are made out of canvas, so I knew these boots would not be waterproof. However, it took almost a minute of standing in the water before I stopped feeling water coming into the boot. The drain holes worked well and allowed the water to leave the boot almost as fast as it entered. The worst part was wet socks, which I think weighed more than the boots. Within 12 hours the boots were dry. If I had left them outside where there was a breeze or set them next to a hot wood stove or campfire, they would have dried much faster.

The Z-Mass soles are not nearly as minimalist as I’d like, but they do look like normal combat boot soles, while still giving the wearer the best “ground feel” I’ve ever experienced from any combat boot. I’ve gone through dozens of boots in my military career – everything from jungle boots, to steel toe cold weather boots, to lineman’s boots, to all sorts of desert boots. Before Zero Mass, my favorite boot was Bates Desert Tactical Sport. The sole, flexibility and weight of Zero Mass is superior even to the Desert Tactical Sports.

My second hike in my Z-Mass boots was up Mount Elden, near Flagstaff, Arizona. The Mt. Elden trail is considerably more difficult than Thumb Butte, with plenty of rocks, steep climbs, and prickly pear cactus hiding behind rocks waiting for the unaware hiker. I do not recommend these boots for people with weak, inflexible ankles if they are going to be navigating rough terrain. But for barefoot runners and people who prefer to have minimal ankle support, these boots are excellent.

During my Mt. Elden hike, the rocks proved to be no match for my Z-Mass. Coming back down the mountain, I did slip a couple of times on loose rocks, but there is no footwear (short of something with metal spikes) that can prevent the occasional slip coming down Mt. Elden. Also, I am very aware of my surroundings, so I never did accidentally stumble through any cactus. So, in order to put my boots to the test, I intentionally brushed against a prickly pear cactus pad. The sharp spines of the prickly pear were no match for the Wolverine Warrior leather. I did not try to test the canvas upper against the cactus. Perhaps I’ll put that part of the boot to the test on another day!

My third hike out in my Z-Mass boots was in the Superstition Wilderness east of Phoenix. This area is filled with several kinds of cacti, various rocky terrain, washes, lava-flows, and can be extremely hot. The Zero Mass boot handled this desert like it was designed to, and gave my feet just enough protection to keep long spines and sharp rocks from damaging my feet while still providing excellent ground feel.

Cholla cactus is the most abundant cacti in these desert mountains. Cholla goes into skin almost painlessly, but has tiny barbs that make pulling it out very unpleasant and difficult. Naturally, I couldn't resist testing the boots out against what many people call “jumping cactus.” I kicked a Cholla pad that was on the ground and it instantly stuck to my sole. No way those barbed spines were getting through the Bates rubber sole. The next Cholla pad that got me was by accident, but the Wolverine Warrior leather completely protected my feet from the spines – something many other shoes I’ve worn in the desert failed to do. So far, these boots have passed every cactus test I’ve put them to.

I plan to wear my Zero Mass boots in the snow, the mud and desert and mountain rocky terrain. I believe they will serve me well, and will continue to report how they hold up during long distance runs, forced ruck marches, and crawling around the various environments.

My overall assessment of Bates Zero Mass combat boots is that they are lightweight, comfortable, provide excellent ground feel, do not need excessive break in time, and are quiet once you have broken in the canvas upper. They are not waterproof, but dry quickly and, unless you are submerged for more than a few seconds, will keep your feet from getting soaked. They cause no fatigue during long or strenuous hikes, and provide a fair amount of protection from sharp rocks and cacti. These boots were designed for people who do not want ankle support or excessively thick soles, so if you are looking for a boot with stiff uppers and 3-inch thick heels with inflexible soles, this is not the boot for you. However, if you like Merrell’s barefoot series of running shoes, or are looking for a combat boot that gives you ground feel, is lightweight and still conforms to military standards of appearance, the Bates Zero Mass is the best that's out there!

Robert Freese served 10 years in the US Air Force, 5 years in the Georgia Army National Guard, and is currently a member of the Arizona Army National Guard. He is a “minimalist shoe” runner, and sometimes runs barefoot. He firmly believes that the more natural one’s footwear, the healthier their entire bodies will be and that footwear should not over-protect your feet in order to have the strongest, most flexible, healthiest feet you can have.

http://goo.gl/CRGaH http://www.batesfootwear.com/US/en/Technology

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Cool huaraches enhancement

I got this idea from Huarache Blog here: http://huaracheblog.wordpress.com/2011/10/07/museo-nacional-de-historia-mexico-city/

It's basically a triangle in front and a strip in back. Holds the lacing in place.

My piss-poor implementation using scrap leather that's just too thin actually works pretty well. This really enhances the comfort of the huaraches and I think if I did it over again with better leather, it would look pretty good, too.

The front: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7153/6846633309_8c5e6d62f3.jpg

The back (upside-down and blurry, sorry, ipod) http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7199/6846633663_914bfdf3c4.jpg

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EVO sizing

hi, what can you say about buying a EVO size 42, for a common user of a men's 9? As I heard they might run small. I also have Oaks size 42 and they are fine.

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Zemgear combined with huaraches

I have been trying to figure out a solution to the problems I have had wearing my huaraches for hiking. Those problems are that because my skin chafes easily from the straps, I have to wear socks and because I wear socks, I get a lot of plant stickers stuck in my socks. I think I finally found a solution.

I got some of those Zemgear ninja booties. They work great. It's kind of a bit excessive on the sole now, because it's like you have the plastic sole on the Zemgears combined with the huarache sole, but it's actually not too bad for hiking if the trails are going to be really rough.

My homemade hiking huaraches are pretty thick-soled so I'm thinking that the booties would work also with my Invisible Shoes huaraches for when I don't need so much protective overkill but still want to keep the dang foxtails out of my socks.

I imagine this would work well when it is cold, too.

Just thought I would put that out there because in my searching to see if anyone had tried it, I couldn't find anyone who tried it.

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Altra Adam

How long is the Altra Adam? I understand that it is wide, but I am concerned that the size 8 may be long for me. My Vivobarefoot Evo's are about a thumbs nail length too long. From their website the instinct's run short, which might work for me, but I am looking for a more minimal shoe. Any help would be appreciated.

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Shoe Suggestions

I have Vivobarefoot casual shoes that I love. I bought a pair of Evo's, but they are more narrow and I have about a 1/2 inch of room. I am looking for a pair of wider shoes. I wear a 7.5 or 8. My evo's are 41's. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Minnetonka Moccasins/Boots?

How do you all feel about Minnetonka moccasins and boots? I have some kilty hardsoles that I love, but since I've been getting more into minimalist footwear, I'm concerned that the sole isn't really ideal (that being said, it is helpful to have that insulation when the ground is cold, so maybe the trade off is worth it).

But maybe I'm wrong, I'm certainly not an expert. Thoughts?

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Wanted to thank this site

Thanks for reviewing the Stem Shoes so well, and I appreciate the coupon for toesalad members! :)

I'll post a review and pics here when I get mine. Just ordered today.

I'd love to hear from those that have Stem's shoes and what you think of them. I got them to go to the gym in and to work in. I can dress casually at work and the only requirement is that they are close toed and closed heel. I could not get away with vibrams there and most minimalist shoes I find are really 'gawdy'. These look nice.

Anyway - tell me what you think about these shoes. . . Looking forward to my pair :)

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New and still searching for the perfect shoe

Came across the barefoot thingy while researching ultra-light travelling. Can't decide which shoe would be best suited... still looking for the perfect shoe, suitable for running, bushwalks, beach, Indian holiday and European winter. A rather narrow foot, too... Any suggestions?

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